17:37 21/02/2017 Re: Fasten your seatbelts!
The FT reports rising support for the wacko harridan Le Pen in her Presidency bid out France way, and falling support for Macron who has been overtaken in the polls by the Fillon feller who so let the side down. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Reactionary LK , Let the side down LOL, Which side would that be then,??
17:35 21/02/2017 Re: Blair
Not much of the bailout money goes towards improving things for the average Greek. Most of the money has been used to pay off loans from European Banks (including UK and Greek Banks) and private sector lenders. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Too right JW Most, if not all of this money goes to bail out European banks , who c ouldn't wait to lend it out in turn in the first place, Look into what happened in Ireland as regards bailing out banks. Duetsche bank springs to mind, so no they are not bailing out Greek citizens. But its so much easier to take it out on the worst off in society.
16:41 21/02/2017 Re: Blair
Akis, "...and the requests of the Troika since 2010... we could go on..." Not much of the bailout money goes towards improving things for the average Greek. Most of the money has been used to pay off loans from European Banks (including UK and Greek Banks) and private sector lenders.
16:32 21/02/2017 Re: Fasten your seatbelts!
There are very powerful forces at work behind the scenes making this happen, but it's not over yet, George Soros and Co won't give in so easily and watch the EU fall to bits. This could get very nasty
15:57 21/02/2017 Fasten your seatbelts!
The FT reports rising support for the wacko harridan Le Pen in her Presidency bid out France way, and falling support for Macron who has been overtaken in the polls by the Fillon feller who so let the side down. Worse, it looks as if the Frenchies are increasingly intending to vote for Le Pen in round two. If Le Pen becomes President of France all bets are off, shipm8es! LKH on the flybridge BP's up a bit
15:36 21/02/2017 Re: Blair
J Westlock , " so we will continue contributing to help Greece as well as many other countries in need." ... in need of buying brand new Mercedes, Audis, BMWs, extensive holiday trips abroad, deposits into German banks, serious tax evasion, generous (or ridiculous) pensions bearing no relation to the contributions, ridiculous salaries and pensions that defy logic and the requests of the Troika since 2010... we could go on...
12:44 21/02/2017 Re: Blair
PR, "So quite patently UK has contributed to the Greek crisis. QED Maybe they will get that contribution back - but if the EZ fails !................." It was a 3-month bridging loan PR and not part of any bailout. Clearly, you don't appreciate the difference between the two... or more likely don't want to. As you mentioned, it's academic anyway as at some point we will leave the EU but note that the UK will still be contributing to the IMF so we will continue contributing to help Greece as well as many other countries in need.
9:45 21/02/2017 Re: Les, please come back
BP ain't doing so badly today - sad it's no longer a cue for a beating with a short stick! It is kind of poignant that people leave though and on the subject of poignancy - one of the great videos ever made - fantastic song and the dancing, oh the dancing - sublime: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lNlmRreliI
9:42 21/02/2017 Re: for Phillip
Phillip I think it is you, not me, who is squirming. You gave links to out of date information. On contributions to Greek bailouts, I think J Westlock nailed it. As for "europhobes", this was not intended as an insult just as a descriptor. The europhobes I was referring to are the ones on this board that constantly post messages based on prejudiced assumptions. As for you, your posts are usually well reasoned and you give your sources, even when they are out of date. As for the Daily Mail, even Wikipedia will not now link to their material due to its very por standard of journalistic accuracy. The Daily Mail was a big supporter of the Nazi's in the 30's as you will know. Its extreme right wing perspective hasn't shifted much over the years, in my opinion, if not yours. All the best, Frog in a tree
9:09 21/02/2017 Re: Blair
Westlock You obviously got that info from my link. Here is the relevant part of what it says: "The European commission has defied George Osborne, the UK chancellor, by formally proposing an emergency loan for Greece through an EU-wide bailout fund using up to #850m of British contributions. The proposed use of the European Financial Stability Mechanism fund is a blow to the UK, because David Cameron thought he had secured in 2010 a ?black and white? British opt-out from participating in any further bailouts for eurozone countries." So quite patently UK has contributed to the Greek crisis. QED Maybe they will get that contribution back - but if the EZ fails !................. PR
9:07 21/02/2017 Re: Blair
They would not have paid anyway.. See excellent post explaining the true position. Clue: I have recommended it.
9:03 21/02/2017 Re: Blair
Westlock "So when people say that the UK will keep paying for EZ bailouts they are incorrect " Now you are being misleading. I don't see people "keep saying that". It is quite obvious that the UK won't keep paying becasue they will be leaving the EU. PR
8:56 21/02/2017 Re: for Phillip
Frog You are squirming. You are insulting again, which seems your oft chosen style. I am not a Eurphobe or any other phobe as regards other human beings. The obvious implication in what you say as it is your reply to me, otherwise why use the word Europhobe. You are also showing your bias with not looking at both links. It is OK to ignore what you don't like under normal everyday situations, but when someone provides you with a link, it is courteous to at least have a look and then say what is wrong with said link (if you think there is something wrong). Also you said quote: "You are wrong to imply that the UK is a contributer to the bail out.'' - well that is patently wrong because the UK has paid previously. As you say, post UK payments there is an agreement/regulation that you have mentioned, but the UK shouldn't have had to make their last contribution, twisting the rules means they did. A bit of shuffling and it would probably happen again in the future - The pot is so big that the EU meisters have to play with - or maybe you just trust them implicitly without any thought of what might be happening behind the scenes. We all know the accounts haven't been adequately verified. I also pointed to the fact that the UK had made contributions - I said nothing about "losing money", whatever you mean by that - those were words that you introduced here. As hanser says, my point still stands! PR - would be grateful if you didn't insult my words as to calling them rubbish. They were correct.
8:49 21/02/2017 Re: Blair
PR, "Please, no more of the UK hasn't had to contribute to the Greek woes." And why not... you are being misleading. The UK did not made a contribution via the EU for the EZ bailouts and with respect to Greece, I refer to the the 2010, 2012 and 2015 bailouts. What actually happened was that in 2015 (3rd Greek bailout), Greece was provided a short term emergency bridging loan of ?7bn from an EU-wide fund. The UK would have been indirectly liable for around ?855 million of the loan, through its share in the EU Budget. However, because the UK government agreed a deal with the EU under which EZ countries only would cover any liabilities that would have fallen to the UK or other non-EZ countries. This meant that the UK and other non-EZ countries were exempted from any risk of losing money. So when people say that the UK will keep paying for EZ bailouts they are incorrect and being deliberately misleading. And why not... that;s what the campaigns were doing day after day just a year ago.
8:35 21/02/2017 Re: Les, please come back
You jest. He was a condescending megalomaniac just trying to wind you up. Don't feed his ego. Good riddance, although he's bound to be back.